MAD 创始人 René Redzepi 专访「寿司之神」小野二郎

非营利组织 MAD 创始人同时也有「北欧厨神」之称的 Noma 餐厅主厨 René Redzepi 最近与团队一同前往日本拍摄记录了传奇寿司大师小野二郎。许多人通过 2011 年的一部广受好评的纪录片《寿司之神》认识到这位大师，就连奥巴马总统到东京时也曾拜访过他的寿司店「数寄屋桥次郎」。

在影片中 Redzepi 前往东京来对谈这位 90 岁高齡的大师，这位传奇人物宣称这或许是他人生中最后一次接受访问。这次谈话中小野二郎讲述了自己对于工作的热情以及当初的梦想，目前还为即将到来的 2020 年东京奥运会做准备。一起观赏短片，也可从以下采访节选中了解更多。

On loving your job:

“I have said before that you must like your job. If you start saying: ‘I don’t like this’ or ‘This isn’t the job for me,’ you won’t become an expert in anything. If you’ve taken on a job or career, you need to like it and continue moving forward. Young people today say they are great, but when it comes to work, they don’t compare to previous generations.”

When he finally felt he was a master at his craft:

“50 years… No, [I] never [wanted to stop making sushi]. The only question was, ‘How can I get better?’ … The person who has hit 60 or 70 and has achieved what they originally set out to do will never say ‘That’s enough.’ They’ll keep looking for the next step, the next goal. I can assure you, humans are like that.”

On progress:

“If you don’t learn to love your work and remind your brain to make new steps everyday, there can be no progress… There is a lot of failure before that [feeling of being a master]… You go through failures and successes, and more failures for years until it feels like you have achieved what you had in mind the whole time.”

On retiring:

“René, you must sometimes think about your retirement, and what you need to achieve to get to that point. However, when you reach that age and have completed your job, something new will come up. You’ll think to yourself: ‘What can I do now?’ You won’t quit.”

“The people who are truly at the top won’t say that they want to retire after 70 or 80. They just fasten their belts after that.”